November 2002 Weekly Fireside Newsletters

Hear Ye .... Hear Ye
"The Weekly Fireside"
of the American Civil War History
Special Interest Group;
Distribution Coast to Coast
Week ending 03 Nov 2002

Our Mission: To serve all genealogists by providing an enjoyable online environment with as many helpful and reliable resources as possible.

If you know someone who would like to receive the newsletter by email, please have them send an email to HOST GFS Jim and HOST GFS Jayne with subscribe in the subject line.

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We had a great time Thursday. "Our" Jim was finally home from his "on location" trip with his paying job. It was open chat and the names of many books came up: "Killer Angels" by Michael Shaara; "Gods and Generals" by Jeff Shaara; "Gone for Soldiers" by Jeff Shaara; "Fire on the Waters" by David Poyer; The Hornblower Series by Cecil Scott Forester; "A Killing at Ball's Bluff" by Michael Kilian; "Gray Raiders of the Sea: How Eight Confederate Warships Destroyed the Union's High Seas Commerce" by Chester G. Hearn; and "A History of the Confederate Navy" by Raimondo Luraghi.

We even managed some Ghost Stories in "honor" of Halloween.

Mark your calendar.... set your clock..... tie a string around your finger, whatever it takes to remember that this Thursday is our special Songs, Letters, and Poems night. 11 PM ET in the Golden Gates room (aol only)

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Coming Events"

"Uncle Chuck's" Civil War Calendar!!

HOST GFS Chuck has been providing us with some excellent Civil War Events around the country so as long as he keeps sending them we'll keep this "Town Crier" up.......


From: HOST GFS Jayne@aol.com
November 16, 2002 Gettysburg, PA Remembrance Day, Parade 1 PM.
November 19th is the 139th Anniversary of the Gettysburg Address.

From: DdHober@aol.com
I went to my favorite ghost web site and found out they were having a ghost conference on the Civil War. I thought I would share. <G> I wish I could go but that's the east coast and I am west coast.

http://www.ghostweb.com/2003conf.html

2003 Gettysburg Ghost Conference
Learning from the Past"

The Sixth Annual International Ghost Hunters Society Gettysburg Ghost Conference, hosted by Cofounders, Dr. Dave Oester & Dr. Sharon Gill, is scheduled for March 29 and 30th, 2003. This is the largest Civil War ghost conference held annually in the United States.

Visit the website for events, prices, etc.

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Civil War History & Genealogy Forum Related Activities and Sites
Available for your Enjoyment and Research

War Between the States (Tracing your Civil War Ancestors)
With HOST GFS Amy and HOST GFS Wolford on
Friday evenings at 9:00 PM EDT in the Golden Gates Chat Room
of the Genealogy Forum (ONLY ON AOL) at KEYWORD: ROOTS


"Genealogy Forum's Military Resources" Website
devoted to Civil War History and the material presented in
the American Civil War History Special Interest Group
in the Genealogy Forum of America On-Line.
The address is:
http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Military/

The Weekly Fireside Archives
http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Military/Fireside.htm


The Genealogy Forum Mailing List Signup
You may subscribe by sending an email to:
GOLDEN-GATE-L-request@rootsweb.com
Title the subject of the email SUBSCRIPTION and type "Subscribe"
in the body of the email message.

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Editor's Note: I sincerely encourage you to feel entirely free to post any Civil War Letters, Stories or articles that you have in our Civil War History Files through the new Military Resources Website. We are trying "beef up" our Library and now those of you who have patiently stuck with us who aren't AOL Members can now participate. There is also an area for you to upload photos, if you would desire to share those with the Civil War History community. On the Web Site, there are links to our Civil War Library (Files, Firesides, and Photo's).

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FOR ALL YOU 1ST TIMERS ON THURSDAY - "WE REALLY WELCOME YOU TO OUR MERRY BAND" WE ENJOYED HAVING YOU, TRADING QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND ESPECIALLY YOUR CAMARADERIE!!! :-)... COME AGAIN OFTEN, WE DO INDEED "RELISH" YOUR COMPANY..

Every first-timer to the American Civil War History SIG gets put on the newsletter distribution automatically, because we like to send you a "Thank You Card" for coming to visit and this is our way of doing so. We hope to give you an opportunity to jump right in with us. If you desire NOT to receive the newsletter, then just drop us an email saying UNSUBSCRIBE and we will quickly remove your screen name from distribution. We certainly don't want to clog your mailbox with unwanted material. Also many of you pass on the newsletter to others that don't subscribe to AOL. We really want to thank you for spreading the word. I would also like to let you know that we would be happy to add them to our list if they have email of any sort. We distribute everywhere to those that have requested it. AOL membership is not a requirement although we'd love to see you in the Chat Room :D

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Did you know?

The following was received from Cato3240@aol.com. He stated it came to him on one of his maillists and thought everyone might enjoy reading it.

Flag-bearing Civil War soldier will be honored on new medal
By Peter Rexford

As Nov. 11 approaches - with U.S. troops in Afghanistan, talk of war with Iraq and the war on terrorism now in America's back yard - there's little doubt this Veterans Day will assume greater importance than in years past. Invariably, more flags will be flying in tribute to those who have gone into battle.

In the 1860s, Americans fought one another in one of the bloodiest wars in our history. Most combatants who served during the Civil War are long-forgotten and relegated to overgrown cemeteries. As in every conflict, however, a few stood out in battle and are still remembered for their bravery.

You probably don't recognize the name Leopold Karpeles. He was a Jew who emigrated from Prague, Bohemia (now Czechoslovakia), in 1861. He abhorred slavery and joined the Union forces to fight against it. After the battles of Kingston, Whitehall and Goldsborough, he was discharged in 1863, only to rejoin a few months later.

As a sergeant and color bearer, Karpeles' job was to carry the flag - one of the most important tasks, because where the colors went, the troops followed. In 1864, during the Battle of the Wilderness in Virginia, Karpeles led the charge by carrying the flag into battle. Under a barrage of bullets and Confederate artillery, the Union troops began to retreat. Karpeles stood on a tree stump waving the flag for them to return. Seeing this, Union commander Gen. James S. Wadsworth rode toward Karpeles, reportedly yelling, "Rally 'round the flag, boys." For his bravery, Karpeles was awarded the Medal of Honor.

After Karpeles' death in 1909, his medal was lost in a fire. For Veterans Day 2002, the Jewish-American Hall of Fame has created a new medal depicting Karpeles carrying the flag during the Battle of the Wilderness. On the reverse of the medal is an excerpt from a letter written by President Abraham Lincoln to a Jewish congregation in Philadelphia, which reads, "Thank you heartily for your prayers."

Produced in bronze, pure silver and 10-karat gold, the 2 1/2-ounce medals are limited to quantities of 999, 499 and 49 and sell for $35, $95 and $895 respectively. Each is individually numbered. In addition, purchasers of the medal will receive a quartz watch featuring the names of 12 other well-known honorees in the Jewish-American Hall of Fame, including Albert Einstein, Jonas Salk and Harry Houdini. The medals can be ordered by calling 1-800-472-6327.

With the holidays approaching, retailers are wondering how they'll fare in the current economy. If prices for stamps listed in the new 2003 Scott Specialized Catalog of U.S. Stamps are any indication, stamp dealers can expect a banner year.

Just released this month, the Scott catalog is the bible most collectors turn to for values of stamps, envelopes, postcards and most anything connected to philately.

In the 2003 edition, more than 18,500 changes in the value of 19th-century and 20th-century stamps are noted, with the vast majority of prices revised upward. Some of the changes are dramatic: A 3-cent stamp from 1880 leaped in value to $50,000 from $40,000 last year.

But the changes aren't limited to vintage stamps few people see. The recently issued 1998 Christmas Wreaths booklet of stamps doubled in value to $12 from $6 last year.

As James Kloetzel, editor of the catalog, explained, "The market for high-quality and scarce U.S. stamps remains vibrant. Demand continues to push values upward for those difficult-to-locate items."

The 2003 Scott catalog is priced at $44.95 and is available at most stamp dealers or from Scott Publishing Co. at 1-800-572-6885. The catalog is also available for computers on a CD-ROM for the same price. More information on the catalog can also be found at http://www.amosadvantage.com.

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This came from our friend Ted Fisher

Federal major William J. Hardee wrote "Rifle and Light Infantry Tactics" in 1853 to reflect the change in military science from precision formations to quick manuvering. The book directed action at the battalion level and ignored the directing of regiments and companies. This book became the standard text for officers but did not anticipate developments in weapons technology. Both sides in the CW used these tactics with disasterous results throughout the war resulting in massive casualties such as occured at Gettysburg, Fredericksburg and Franklin. For example- Pickett's Charge where several waves of troops attacked a fixed position. The 1st wave acceptably would be wiped out, but much of the 2nd wave and all of the 3rd wave would be amongst the defenders before they could reload and would carry the day. In 1861, Hardee resigned his commission to become a Brig. Gen in the Confederate army.



Toward the end of the Civil War most Confederate troops were in rags. Some from North Carolina were lucky enough to get a uniform re-issue. Unfortionately the uniforms they got were snow white / undyed making them great targets when worn. They commented "We were issued our shrouds early"

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THE HELP DESK

This segment is to address specific questions that hit our plate on Thursday night that we didn't have a chance to answer or needed a bit of time to check it out. Hope these answer the mail :D

Editor's Note: The new Military Resources Website (Website is listed above in the Fireside) has a myriad of options for you. Here are some the choices: US Military Records, Conscription/Draft Records, Civil War Battle Names, Secession of the Confederate States, Your Civil War Ancestors - Where to Begin, Military Resources on the Internet, links to the Stories, Files and Talks of the American Civil War History Chat on AOL, message boards and many, many others. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome.

Additional Note from the Webmaster: Although we are thrilled to provide this area for you now, we want you to know that we are still building it and MORE files, Regimental Histories, etc., will be available in the near future. Stay Tuned!

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Websites we've received:

From: Bitsobluengray@aol.com


From: SteveCSA@aol.com

From: DdHober@aol.com

From: thefinalwaltz@aol.com

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MEMBERS HELPING MEMBERS!!..

Here's how it works... If you are trying to get photographs of a gravesite or battlefield, to collect for your Civil War ancestor research and records, then send us a request and we will post it here... Other members see your request, some being in the near vicinity, are willing to assist, and can email you directly (This protects your privacy) to work out the details. We HIGHLY recommend the "Requester" pay for all film costs and any postage involved for a helping member. This is intended to be a "Free" assistance between members (with the exception of defraying film and postage costs). Do unto others as.... you know
:-)
Keep us posted on how this is working, so we can share them in the "Fireside"!!
HOST GFS Jim

IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED ANSWER(S) TO YOUR QUESTIONS, PLEASE BE SURE TO LET US KNOW!!!!!
Thanks!! - The Editors

We have had some gracious members offer their assistance in this area. Their screen names and areas they have offered to help in are listed.... Please honor their "goodness" and don't abuse them :-)....
We ask that you do follow the guidelines indicated above....

From: Howie Doohan@aol.com



NOTE: If anyone is doing Illinois Civil War research, you may email IllinoisCW@aol.com and make sure that you tell him HOST GFS Jayne told you to write to him. He will give it priority and see what he can find for you.

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OUR WEEKLY READING
(these items are extracts from our Letters, Songs, and Poems evenings)

July 21st 1863
Fairfax Coarthouse Virginia
Dear wife this is tusday afternoon we hav bin on the march ever since the 10th of June and we hav travled over a greadeal of country sence that time we come to Washington on last munday night weak and we left their on friday and come to Alexandria whear we staid until Sun after noon when we received marching orders we was paid on Sunday about noon and we started on our march about 3 oclock I was sent to Alexander D P for our provisions and they sent for me to come to camp as soon as posible to get my money and we marched about 9 miles that evning and we put up for the night in a open plain got our supers and laid down for the night with our gum blankets and over coats and we landed hear yester day at noon but I think we are not going to stay hear only for a day or to we are about 20 or 25 miles from Washington and we exspect to go to Senter Ville whitch is about 30 miles from hear I think we are going to guard the rail road for we want rest this is the way Generel Meed is to get his suplies over this railroad their is a wagon train pasing hear to day and it beats all I hav ever sean they began to pas hear at 8 oclock and they are stil pasing at 1 oclock we hav bin verry busey ever sence we left our old camp but I hope it wont last mutch longer Washington was a verry fine place we boarded at the large eating Salune while we was their it is for soldiers onley I was in and through the Capitel it is verry fine I sean more than I hav ever sean before but I glad we are out of it as town dont sute me their is plenty of every thing their we come off prety safe when we left the White house but we had 2 of our wagons burnt that was loaded with napsacks but they did not belong to our company they had to burn them to keep the rebs from geting them the wagons got broak and so deap in the mud that they had to leave them Wee are now in Western Virginia and if the people has eney thing to sel we can buy it but the rebels wont sel to us if they can help it but their is onley afew of them that have eney thing to sel I hav sean severel men of my old acquaintence and John Fouracar come to see us in Washington he was going to the Hospitel their their is nothing of him but skin and bone he thinks he has the consumpsion he asked for you all and asked what become of ( ? ) his father and him come to see us last Sunday the old man cant use his sholder yet he will be a cripel in it I have dreams 2 nights that I was at home and you was milking and that ant Deby was maried I heard that they hav arested severel rebels in Newark and they ought to hang that old rebel preacher him and his brother ought to be hung togather I riting under a aple tree and this orchard is prety full of aples and the pears is geting ripe we had one hour yester day to get our diner and it hapened that the old field was covered with blackburies and I picked a quart cup ful and eat them for my diner they are verry ripe and plenty hear but we cant go far after them for the bush whackers I sent you a little money yesterday with the Chaplin and the letter will be left at W H Pearces for you you hav nothing to pay I paid him I must bring my letter to a close for I was out on picket last night and we hav inspection this evening at 5 oclock and we all hav a speshel invertation to be at it we are all wel and I hope this will find you the same I send my love to you all Josey mite rite me a letter
from your afectinate Husband
Levi McCormick     write
soon     good by

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A BIT OF COMMUNITY..

Check out the following member inputs for comments and requests for information, Feedback's, Items of Interest and Plea's for HELP...

A Note From HOST GFS Jayne@aol.com


From: MMeadPond@aol.com

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WHAT WE ARE ABOUT..

OUR FOCUS: the "History of the American (United States) Civil War", with byproducts of laughter, and comraderie!

OUR GOAL: to enhance your Genealogy activity, knowledge, and "wisdom" by talking about the history surrounding their lives and actions; specifically the "Civil War" that our ancestors lived through and died because of.

Captain Oliver Wendell Holmes of the 20th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment, said it so well.

"I think it is a noble and pious thing
To do whatever we may by written
Word or molded bronze and sculpted
Stone to keep our memories, our
Reverence and our love alive and
To hand them on to new generations
All too ready to forget."

OUR PROMISE: to provide an "online" environment that is NOT judgmental and to address ALL aspects of this "Pivotal Period" in our History, with honesty and truth (as we know it).

We do "Fireside Stories" about the battles, the people and the social happenings. In addition we dedicate one Thursday a month to the sharing of Songs, Poems and Letters from that era. So come back and visit; we'll save you a seat at the Fireside, and keep the Cider warm..... For a full listing of upcoming events, either look on the Schedule at the end of this Notice or in the Upcoming Events of the Genealogy Forum.

As we review the logs, and we find new visitors who show an interest or have entered into discussions on this topic in our Thursday sessions, we automatically add you to the distribution for this "Weekly Fireside."

AND Hey! TO YOU "FIRST-TIMERS" THIS WEEK, "Welcome"... :)

We heartily enjoyed your visit and participation. We really "fire up" with what members bring to the discussions, and we hope to see more of you.... Note that for any reason, should you desire to be removed from distribution of this "Weekly Missif," just drop us a line and we will comply with your wishes "post-haste".

Schedule of Upcoming Topics/Events*****

Time: Every Thursday Night at 11pm ET in the Golden Gates Chat Room (On AOL Only) with hosts HOST GFS Amy, HOST GFS Jayne, HOST GFS TEG and HOST GFS Jim and our many faithful friends :)

11/07/02 - OPEN CHAT

11/14/02 - Our Special Monthly session of Letters, Songs and Poems of the Civil War

11/21/02 - OPEN CHAT

11/28/02 - THANKSGIVING - This is a holiday for your Hosts so they can spend the day with their families, just as you will be doing. If after all the day's activities, you want to drop in, you might just find one or more of us there.

12/05/02 - OPEN CHAT

12/12/02 - Our Special Monthly session of Letters, Songs and Poems of the Civil War

12/19/02 - OPEN CHAT

12/26/02 - To be announced

We'll See You Thursday Night..!
Your Joyful, Intelligent and Fun-lovin' Host's & Hostess's :-)
HOST GFS Jim, HOST GFS Jayne, HOST GFS TEG and HOST GFS Amy

Hear Ye .... Hear Ye
"The Weekly Fireside"
of the American Civil War History
Special Interest Group;
Distribution Coast to Coast
Week ending 10 Nov 2002

Our Mission: To serve all genealogists by providing an enjoyable online environment with as many helpful and reliable resources as possible.

If you know someone who would like to receive the newsletter by email, please have them send an email to HOST GFS Jim and HOST GFS Jayne with subscribe in the subject line.

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We had a great time Thursday night. I miss the Chat Room when I'm traveling and this is just like taking a cool drink of water from a Rocky Mountain stream. Heh Heh We had some good discussions about some of Jeff Shaara's books, "Killer Angels" and "Gone for Soldiers." Jabbered some about Longstreet and Lee and then I got "sorely" confused and thought that it was the second Thursday of the month and we started doing a few Letters, Songs and Poems. It didn't dawn on me until last around Saturday that I'd jumped a week ahead. Oh Well, life is just full of surprises. Hopefully I'll connect long enough to realize some. Heh Heh

HOST GFS Jayne had a neat extract that she ran across from "Martine's Handbook of Etiquette, and the Guide to True Politeness," New York: Dick & Fitzgerald; Publishers. 1864. Was that an eye-opener.

Next Thursday is the "Real" Civil War Letters, Songs and Poems, so come on out and enjoy with us.

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"Coming Events"

"Uncle Chuck's" Civil War Calendar!!

HOST GFS Chuck has been providing us with some excellent Civil War Events around the country so as long as he keeps sending them we'll keep this "Town Crier" up.......

MMeadPond@aol.com sent this little tidbit into the newsletter so we'll post it right here.
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Civil War History & Genealogy Forum Related Activities and Sites
Available for your Enjoyment and Research

War Between the States (Tracing your Civil War Ancestors)
With HOST GFS Amy and HOST GFS Wolford on
Friday evenings at 9:00 PM EDT in the Golden Gates Chat Room
of the Genealogy Forum (ONLY ON AOL) at KEYWORD: ROOTS


"Genealogy Forum's Military Resources" Website
devoted to Civil War History and the material presented in
the American Civil War History Special Interest Group
in the Genealogy Forum of America On-Line.
The address is:
http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Military/

The Weekly Fireside Archives
http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Military/Fireside.htm


The Genealogy Forum Mailing List Signup
You may subscribe by sending an email to:
GOLDEN-GATE-L-request@rootsweb.com
Title the subject of the email SUBSCRIPTION and type "Subscribe"
in the body of the email message.

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Editor's Note: I sincerely encourage you to feel entirely free to post any Civil War Letters, Stories or articles that you have in our Civil War History Files through the new Military Resources Website. We are trying "beef up" our Library and now those of you who have patiently stuck with us who aren't AOL Members can now participate. There is also an area for you to upload photos, if you would desire to share those with the Civil War History community. On the Web Site, there are links to our Civil War Library (Files, Firesides, and Photo's).

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FOR ALL YOU 1ST TIMERS ON THURSDAY - "WE REALLY WELCOME YOU TO OUR MERRY BAND" WE ENJOYED HAVING YOU, TRADING QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND ESPECIALLY YOUR CAMARADERIE!!! :-)... COME AGAIN OFTEN, WE DO INDEED "RELISH" YOUR COMPANY..

Every first-timer to the American Civil War History SIG gets put on the newsletter distribution automatically, because we like to send you a "Thank You Card" for coming to visit and this is our way of doing so. We hope to give you an opportunity to jump right in with us. If you desire NOT to receive the newsletter, then just drop us an email saying UNSUBSCRIBE and we will quickly remove your screen name from distribution. We certainly don't want to clog your mailbox with unwanted material. Also many of you pass on the newsletter to others that don't subscribe to AOL. We really want to thank you for spreading the word. I would also like to let you know that we would be happy to add them to our list if they have email of any sort. We distribute everywhere to those that have requested it. AOL membership is not a requirement although we'd love to see you in the Chat Room :D

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Did you know?

In March, of 1863, one of our captains was a quaint, impulsive energetic officer, and good disciplinarian. A private named Hackett, in Company E (11th Vermont Volunteers), was the most ungainly soldier in the regiment; he could not keep step with one marching by his side, or in front of him, and never learned the manual of arms. He should have remained at home and become a minister of the gospel. He was eccentric and had formerly been a Biblical student. He could recite Scripture from Genesis to Exodus.

The guard-house was located just inside the Fort (Lincoln, Washington D.C.) entrance and a bridge spanned the moat to the entrance. Once, when Captain R. was Officer of the Day, it was his duty to inspect the guard at least once after midnight. Hackett was at Post Number One, near the gate-way of the Fort. It was a dark, rainy night, when Hackett heard Captain R. approach, and called out, "Who comes there?"

Captain R., being on one side of the bridge, stumbled and fell headlong into the moat; as he fell he exclaimed in a loud voice, "Jesus Christ."

Hackett faced about and called out promptly, "Turn out the Apostles. Jesus Christ is coming." Then the guard helped the Captain out of the moat.

--- Brevet Major Charles H. Anson

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THE HELP DESK


This segment is to address specific questions that hit our plate on Thursday night that we didn't have a chance to answer or needed a bit of time to check it out. Hope these answer the mail :D

Editor's Note: The new Military Resouces Website (Website is listed above in the Fireside) has a myriad of options for you. Here are some the choices: US Military Records, Conscription/Draft Records, Civil War Battle Names, Secession of the Confederate States, Your Civil War Ancestors - Where to Begin, Military Resources on the Internet, links to the Stories, Files and Talks of the American Civil War History Chat on AOL, message boards and many, many others. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome.

Additional Note from the Webmaster: Although we are thrilled to provide this area for you now, we want you to know that we are still building it and MORE files, Regimental Histories, etc., will be available in the near future. Stay Tuned!

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Websites we've received:

From: SusiCP@aol.com

From: HOST GFS Jayne@aol.com, picked up from Cyndislist of new sites

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MEMBERS HELPING MEMBERS!!..

Here's how it works... If you are trying to get photographs of a gravesite or battlefield, to collect for your Civil War ancestor research and records, then send us a request and we will post it here... Other members see your request, some being in the near vicinity, are willing to assist, and can email you directly (This protects your privacy) to work out the details. We HIGHLY recommend the "Requester" pay for all film costs and any postage involved for a helping member. This is intended to be a "Free" assistance between members (with the exception of defraying film and postage costs). Do unto others as.... you know
:-)
Keep us posted on how this is working, so we can share them in the "Fireside"!!
HOST GFS Jim

IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED ANSWER(S) TO YOUR QUESTIONS, PLEASE BE SURE TO LET US KNOW!!!!!
Thanks!! - The Editors

We have had some gracious members offer their assistance in this area. Their screen names and areas they have offered to help in are listed.... Please honor their "goodness" and don't abuse them :-)....
We ask that you do follow the guidelines indicated above....

From: Howie Doohan@aol.com


NOTE: If anyone is doing Illinois Civil War research, you may email IllinoisCW@aol.com and make sure that you tell him HOST GFS Jayne told you to write to him. He will give it priority and see what he can find for you.


If YOU have a Civil War Ancestor, Kevin (AndersonvilleCW@aol.com) does Volunteer reseach at Andersonville Civil War Prison in Andersonville, GA. Any research he does is absolutely at NO cost and he is willing to do all he can. There are more than 32,000 prisoners on record from the Union, and quite a few who were held prisoner there as Union regiments from Confederate states. There are also nearly 13,000 marked graves of those who died there. Kevin's focus is dedicated to ALL of those held prisoner during the war, on both sides, as well as all Americans who gave their freedoms for those that we enjoy today.. He just happens to be near Andersonville, so that is where he does his work.

The souces for the research is:
There are 2 online databases to do lookups.....One by name...one by Company and Regiment. He also has a copy of the Dorence Atwater Death list which has the names and grave numbers of 12,960 graves with only 460 marked as " UNKNOWN " This along with a CD he has that contains 34,000 names of the 45,000 who were imprisoned there which helps him find prisoner records because of misspellings of the names or alternate names. He also has the contined update database which is dated July 19 2002 . Kevin visits the prison site every couple of weeks and has access to the onsite databases as well as the physical files.

Visit Kevin's site at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/ANDERSONVILLE/PRISON.html


From: Raidersong@aol.com

"Linda" I've found a few connections to your Capt. W. T. Havens


From: MM3C11259@aol.com


From: MM3C11259@aol.com


From: PA CIVIL WAR list - vernoncook@juno.com


From: SusiCP@aol.com

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OUR WEEKLY READING
(these items are extracts from our Letters, Songs, and Poems evenings)

An Address by an Ex-Confederate Soldier to the Grand Army of the Republic...........'
by Maurice Thompson (1844-1901)

I was a rebel, if you please,
A reckless fighter to the last,
Nor do I fall upon my knees
And ask forgiveness for the past.

A traitor? I a traitor? No!
I was a patriot to the core;
The South was mine, I loved her so,
I gave her all, -- I could no more.

You scowl at me. And was it wrong
To wear the gray my father wore?
Could I slink back, though young and strong,
From foes before my mother's door?

My mother's kiss was hot with fight,
My father's frenzy filled his son,
Through reeking day and sodden night
My sister's courage urged me on.

And I, a missile steeped in hate,
Hurled forward like a connon-ball
by the resistless hand of fate,
Rushed wildly, madly through it all.

I stemmed the level flames of hell,
O'er bayonet bars of death I broke,
I was so near when Cleburne fell,
I heard the muffled bullet stroke!

But all in vain. In dull despair
I saw the storm of conflict die;
Low lay the Southern banner fair,
And yonder flag was waving high.

God, what a triumph had the foe!
Laurels, arches, trumpet-blare;
All around the earth their songs did go,
Thundering through heaven their shouts did tear.

My mother, gray and bent with years,
Hoarding love's withered aftermath,
Her sweet eyes burnt too dry for tears,
Sat in the dust of Sherman's path.

My father, broken, helpless, poor,
A gloomy, nerveless giant stood,
Too strong to cower and endure,
Too weak to fight for masterhood.

My boyhood's home, a blackened heap
Where lizards crawled and briers grew,
Had felt the fire of vengeance creep,
The crashing round-shot hurtle through.

I had no country, all was lost,
I closed my eyes and longed to die,
While past me stalked the awful ghost
Of mangled, murdered Liberty.

The scars upon my body burned,
I felt a heel upon my throat,
A heel that ground and grinding turned
With each triumphal trumpet note.

"Grind on!" I creid, "nor doubt that I,
(If all your necks were one and low
As mine is now) delightedly
Would cut it by a single blow!"

That was a dark night; but day is here,
The crowning victory is won;
Hark, how the sixty millions cheer,
With Freedom's flag across the sun!

I a traitor! Who are you
That dare to breathe that word to me?
You never wore the Union blue,
No wounds attest your loyalty!

I do detest the stuler's clerk,
Who skulked and dodged till peace had come,
Then found it most congenial work
To beat the politician's drum.

I clasp the hand that made my scars,
I cheer the flag my foemen bore,
I shout for joy to see the stars
All on our common shield once more.

I do not cringe before you now,
Or lay my face upon the ground;
I am a man, of men a peer,
And not a cowering, cudgeled hound!

I stand and say that you were right,
I greet you with uncovered head,
Remembering many a thundering fight,
Where whistling death between us sped.

Remembering the boys in gray,
With thoughts too deep and fine for words,
I lift this cup of love to-day
To drink what only love affords.

Soldiers in blue, a health to you!
Long life and vigor oft renewed,
While on your hearts, like honey-dew,
Falls our great country's gratitude.

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A BIT OF COMMUNITY..

Check out the following member inputs for comments and requests for information, Feedback's, Items of Interest and Plea's for HELP...

From MM3C11259@aol.com
{{{Ted}}} Thank you kind sir :D

From HOSTGFSBarb@aol.com
{{{Barb}}} Great site. You folks have to check this one out.

=========================================

WHAT WE ARE ABOUT..

OUR FOCUS: the "History of the American (United States) Civil War", with byproducts of laughter, and comraderie!

OUR GOAL: to enhance your Genealogy activity, knowledge, and "wisdom" by talking about the history surrounding their lives and actions; specifically the "Civil War" that our ancestors lived through and died because of.

Captain Oliver Wendell Holmes of the 20th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment, said it so well.

"I think it is a noble and pious thing
To do whatever we may by written
Word or molded bronze and sculpted
Stone to keep our memories, our
Reverence and our love alive and
To hand them on to new generations
All too ready to forget."

OUR PROMISE: to provide an "online" environment that is NOT judgmental and to address ALL aspects of this "Pivotal Period" in our History, with honesty and truth (as we know it).

We do "Fireside Stories" about the battles, the people and the social happenings. In addition we dedicate one Thursday a month to the sharing of Songs, Poems and Letters from that era. So come back and visit; we'll save you a seat at the Fireside, and keep the Cider warm..... For a full listing of upcoming events, either look on the Schedule at the end of this Notice or in the Upcoming Events of the Genealogy Forum.

As we review the logs, and we find new visitors who show an interest or have entered into discussions on this topic in our Thursday sessions, we automatically add you to the distribution for this "Weekly Fireside."

AND Hey! TO YOU "FIRST-TIMERS" THIS WEEK, "Welcome"... :)

We heartily enjoyed your visit and participation. We really "fire up" with what members bring to the discussions, and we hope to see more of you.... Note that for any reason, should you desire to be removed from distribution of this "Weekly Missif," just drop us a line and we will comply with your wishes "post-haste".

Schedule of Upcoming Topics/Events*****

Time: Every Thursday Night at 11pm ET in the Golden Gates Chat Room (On AOL Only) with hosts HOST GFS Amy, HOST GFS Jayne, HOST GFS TEG and HOST GFS Jim and our many faithful friends :)

11/14/02 - Our Special Monthly session of Letters, Songs and Poems of the Civil War

11/21/02 - OPEN CHAT

11/28/02 - THANKSGIVING - This is a holiday for your Hosts so they can spend the day with their families, just as you will be doing. If after all the day's activities, you want to drop in, you might just find one or more of us there.

12/05/02 - OPEN CHAT

12/12/02 - Our Special Monthly session of Letters, Songs and Poems of the Civil War

12/19/02 - OPEN CHAT

12/26/02 - To be announced. Heh Heh Maybe we ought to sing Christmas Carols....

We'll See You Thursday Night..!
Your Joyful, Intelligent and Fun-lovin' Host's & Hostess's :-)
HOST GFS Jim, HOST GFS Jayne, HOST GFS TEG and HOST GFS Amy

Hear Ye .... Hear Ye
"The Weekly Fireside"
of the American Civil War History
Special Interest Group;
Distribution Coast to Coast
Week ending 17 Nov 2002

Our Mission: To serve all genealogists by providing an enjoyable online environment with as many helpful and reliable resources as possible.

If you know someone who would like to receive the newsletter by email, please have them send an email to HOST GFS Jim and HOST GFS Jayne with subscribe in the subject line.

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We had a great time Thursday night. We had a second session of Civil War Letters, Songs and Poems :D We read a number of Letters and one of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's Poems "The Cumberland." As usual, many questions and answers regarding ancestors or regiments. We certainly enjoyed some newcomers this week and hope they enjoyed themselves enough to return. You know we've developed quite a library of "Introductions" that Jayne and I fire off when someone is about to tell a story, or read a letter, poem or song. It's become quite a challenge to deliver just the right introduction for the HOST about to read.... Heh Heh MM3C11259 accused me of drinking something strange last Thursday at one of the Introductions. Heh Heh It was just my imagination. You'll have to come watch us outdo one another. :D

Next Thursday is the "OPEN CHAT" about Civil War History. Your choice; come on out and enjoy with us.

=========================================

"Coming Events"

"Uncle Chuck's" Civil War Calendar!!

HOST GFS Chuck has been providing us with some excellent Civil War Events around the country so as long as he keeps sending them we'll keep this "Town Crier" up.......

MMeadPond@aol.com sent this little tidbit into the newsletter so we'll post it right here.
=========================================

Civil War History & Genealogy Forum Related Activities and Sites
Available for your Enjoyment and Research

War Between the States (Tracing your Civil War Ancestors)
With HOST GFS Amy and HOST GFS Wolford on
Friday evenings at 9:00 PM EDT in the Golden Gates Chat Room
of the Genealogy Forum (ONLY ON AOL) at KEYWORD: ROOTS


"Genealogy Forum's Military Resources" Website
devoted to Civil War History and the material presented in
the American Civil War History Special Interest Group
in the Genealogy Forum of America On-Line.
The address is:
http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Military/

The Weekly Fireside Archives
http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Military/Fireside.htm


The Genealogy Forum Mailing List Signup
You may subscribe by sending an email to:
GOLDEN-GATE-L-request@rootsweb.com
Title the subject of the email SUBSCRIPTION and type "Subscribe"
in the body of the email message.

=========================================

Editor's Note: I sincerely encourage you to feel entirely free to post any Civil War Letters, Stories or articles that you have in our Civil War History Files through the new Military Resources Website. We are trying "beef up" our Library and now those of you who have patiently stuck with us who aren't AOL Members can now participate. There is also an area for you to upload photos, if you would desire to share those with the Civil War History community. On the Web Site, there are links to our Civil War Library (Files, Firesides, and Photo's).

=========================================

FOR ALL YOU 1ST TIMERS ON THURSDAY - "WE REALLY WELCOME YOU TO OUR MERRY BAND" WE ENJOYED HAVING YOU, TRADING QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND ESPECIALLY YOUR CAMARADERIE!!! :-)... COME AGAIN OFTEN, WE DO INDEED "RELISH" YOUR COMPANY..

Every first-timer to the American Civil War History SIG gets put on the newsletter distribution automatically, because we like to send you a "Thank You Card" for coming to visit and this is our way of doing so. We hope to give you an opportunity to jump right in with us. If you desire NOT to receive the newsletter, then just drop us an email saying UNSUBSCRIBE and we will quickly remove your screen name from distribution. We certainly don't want to clog your mailbox with unwanted material. Also many of you pass on the newsletter to others that don't subscribe to AOL. We really want to thank you for spreading the word. I would also like to let you know that we would be happy to add them to our list if they have email of any sort. We distribute everywhere to those that have requested it. AOL membership is not a requirement although we'd love to see you in the Chat Room :D

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Did you know?

Saturday [September 20, 1862] our regiment crossed the battle-field and went into camp near Sharpsburg, there rejoining the brigade, which was now commanded by Colonel Richard Coulter of the 11th Pennsylvania; General Geroge L. Hartsuff, its former commander, had been severely in the battle. Coulter was a big, quick man, vigorous, impatient, and often violent in speech and action. We felt an immediate liking to him.

We changed camp several times, finally settling down near the river and about three miles west of the town. An incident occurring there gave rise to a story that grew to fabulous proportions, multiplying converts to Christianity and the baptist persuasion, until it bore to our Northern homes the glad tidings that entire regiments had enlisted in the army of the Lord. The way it began was this. Our chaplain, the Reverend George Bullen, baptized in the chill autumnal waters of the Potomac two men or our regiment, who had confessed their faith before they had left home. A few days later, Chaplain Bullen paid his respects to Colonel Coulter at brigade headquarters; and, declining as superfluous the customary social appetizer of old Bourbon, he told the Colonel all about the baptisms. He dwelt upon the probably good effects, both godly and military; the men, he felt sure, would be the more amenable to orders and discipline; he had not omitted, he said, to remind them that they should render unto Caesar. Now it happened that Colonel Coulter, though commanding the brigade, was jealously attentive to the growing reputation of his regiment. He interrupted suddenly: "How many men did you say you dipped, Chaplain?"

"I baptized two, Colonel."

"Orderly!" The Colonel's tone was peremptory. "Tell my adjutant to detail a sergeant to take a man from each company down to the river and baptize him in the Methodist persuasion. I can't allow any damned Baptist to supplant my authority, either spiritual or temporal."

-- Major Abner R. Small

.............and there you have it.

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THE HELP DESK

This segment is to address specific questions that hit our plate on Thursday night that we didn't have a chance to answer or needed a bit of time to check it out. Hope these answer the mail :D

Editor's Note: The new Military Resouces Website (Website is listed above in the Fireside) has a myriad of options for you. Here are some the choices: US Military Records, Conscription/Draft Records, Civil War Battle Names, Secession of the Confederate States, Your Civil War Ancestors - Where to Begin, Military Resources on the Internet, links to the Stories, Files and Talks of the American Civil War History Chat on AOL, message boards and many, many others. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome.

Additional Note from the Webmaster: Although we are thrilled to provide this area for you now, we want you to know that we are still building it and MORE files, Regimental Histories, etc., will be available in the near future. Stay Tuned!

=========================================

Websites we've received:

From: HOST GFS Jim@aol.com

From: SusiCP@aol.com

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MEMBERS HELPING MEMBERS!!..

Here's how it works... If you are trying to get photographs of a gravesite or battlefield, to collect for your Civil War ancestor research and records, then send us a request and we will post it here... Other members see your request, some being in the near vicinity, are willing to assist, and can email you directly (This protects your privacy) to work out the details. We HIGHLY recommend the "Requester" pay for all film costs and any postage involved for a helping member. This is intended to be a "Free" assistance between members (with the exception of defraying film and postage costs). Do unto others as.... you know
:-)
Keep us posted on how this is working, so we can share them in the "Fireside"!!
HOST GFS Jim

IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED ANSWER(S) TO YOUR QUESTIONS, PLEASE BE SURE TO LET US KNOW!!!!!
Thanks!! - The Editors

We have had some gracious members offer their assistance in this area. Their screen names and areas they have offered to help in are listed.... Please honor their "goodness" and don't abuse them :-)....
We ask that you do follow the guidelines indicated above....


NOTE: If anyone is doing Illinois Civil War research, you may email IllinoisCW@aol.com and make sure that you tell him HOST GFS Jayne told you to write to him. He will give it priority and see what he can find for you.


If YOU have a Civil War Ancestor, Kevin (AndersonvilleCW@aol.com) does Volunteer reseach at Andersonville Civil War Prison in Andersonville, GA. Any research he does is absolutely at NO cost and he is willing to do all he can. There are more than 32,000 prisoners on record from the Union, and quite a few who were held prisoner there as Union regiments from Confederate states. There are also nearly 13,000 marked graves of those who died there. Kevin's focus is dedicated to ALL of those held prisoner during the war, on both sides, as well as all Americans who gave their freedoms for those that we enjoy today.. He just happens to be near Andersonville, so that is where he does his work.

The souces for the research is:
There are 2 online databases to do lookups.....One by name...one by Company and Regiment. He also has a copy of the Dorence Atwater Death list which has the names and grave numbers of 12,960 graves with only 460 marked as " UNKNOWN " This along with a CD he has that contains 34,000 names of the 45,000 who were imprisoned there which helps him find prisoner records because of misspellings of the names or alternate names. He also has the contined update database which is dated July 19 2002 . Kevin visits the prison site every couple of weeks and has access to the onsite databases as well as the physical files.

Visit Kevin's site at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/ANDERSONVILLE/PRISON.html


From: MM3C11259@aol.com
Comments from Texzilla2: "That would be "Mesilla." I grew up not far from there in El Paso, and I have access to the Arizona ordinance of secession."

From: MM3C11259@aol.com
Comments from Texzilla2: "I have access to the various treaties between the Confederate government and the various Indian tribes. A small battle at Picacho Pass between Tucson and present-day Phoenix was fought between Confederates and the yankees."

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OUR WEEKLY READING
(these items are extracts from our Letters, Songs, and Poems evenings)

Butler, Bates Co. Mo. June 1, 1862

Dear Sister Cynthia.
The 29th the wind blew hard & the Tests as well as every thing else was a cloud of dust. Next day I was on Guard, & yesterday I just comencd this letter when a messenger came from Johnstown with foaming stead stating that a small party with baggage train from here to Osceola had been attacked by a larger party of Rebel Jay Hawkers. I volunteered with two other of our Co. & as many from each of the six Cos here to go to the rescue. In less than twenty minutes we were on the raod. Our Horses were let out to Fourteen miles an hour all hands expecting for once to have some fighting. But it turned out as usual we were to late, for about Fifteen minutes after the engagement commenced a party of Co. L. came up. They were on their way from Clinton to this place. The rebels took to the brush.

Our boys followed them but the brush is so thick at this season of the year that they all escaped. One or two of there men were wounded. Our loss was one horse killed. One man shot in the foot. One through his coat collar, another throught the hat.

The contemptable J.H.s have the advantage of us now & they use it too. It is folly to even attempt to hunt them in the brush. They lay in ambush & shoot a Soldier where ever they can. Not long since Three of our men were killed & one severely wounded while out after Forage. The rebels fired at them while watering at a creek. One escaped to give the alarm. the killed were bruitaly stabed and heads nearly mashed in the ground also Robed of every thing they had even boots. The men killed were from Cos C. & D. Last week Three men were killed at Osceola in nearly the same manner ..... A man was also shot from Co. I. Three or Four days ago near this place. as yet we have only succeeded in killing one of the miscreants. But now a special order has= been issued to shoot Tow of the prisoners we have in our prison for every soldier that is shot. I think this order will be carried out. We have some hard cases in prison here & about Forthy of them too. nearly every night some of our Pickets are fired at, or fire to some one. I am one of the unfortunate ones I can never get a shot or scarcely ever have an occassion to shoot. I go on nearly every scout but cannot shoot a secesh. They say we will not scout much more here. I hope then we will leave this miserable God forsaken country where we will have something to do. I observe those that lay around camp the most are the most sickly. There is a lot in every Co. that is never ready for duty, never go a scouting or scarcely anything else, except to their rations, and they are always behind. They think so much gained. But they mistake for it is an injury to their hearlh. Our Co. is Generally healthy. as for myself I weigh One hundred Fifty Eight lbs. never better in my life

Truly Yours
Wm O. Gulick

...................fini

=========================================

A BIT OF COMMUNITY..

Check out the following member inputs for comments and requests for information, Feedback's, Items of Interest and Plea's for HELP...

From MM3C11259@aol.com
{{{Ted}}} Thank you kind sir :D We'll leave this for awhile.

From MM3C11259@aol.com

=========================================

WHAT WE ARE ABOUT..
OUR FOCUS: the "History of the American (United States) Civil War", with byproducts of laughter, and comraderie!

OUR GOAL: to enhance your Genealogy activity, knowledge, and "wisdom" by talking about the history surrounding their lives and actions; specifically the "Civil War" that our ancestors lived through and died because of.

Captain Oliver Wendell Holmes of the 20th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment, said it so well.

"I think it is a noble and pious thing
To do whatever we may by written
Word or molded bronze and sculpted
Stone to keep our memories, our
Reverence and our love alive and
To hand them on to new generations
All too ready to forget."

OUR PROMISE: to provide an "online" environment that is NOT judgmental and to address ALL aspects of this "Pivotal Period" in our History, with honesty and truth (as we know it).

We do "Fireside Stories" about the battles, the people and the social happenings. In addition we dedicate one Thursday a month to the sharing of Songs, Poems and Letters from that era. So come back and visit; we'll save you a seat at the Fireside, and keep the Cider warm..... For a full listing of upcoming events, either look on the Schedule at the end of this Notice or in the Upcoming Events of the Genealogy Forum.

As we review the logs, and we find new visitors who show an interest or have entered into discussions on this topic in our Thursday sessions, we automatically add you to the distribution for this "Weekly Fireside."

AND Hey! TO YOU "FIRST-TIMERS" THIS WEEK, "Welcome"... :)

We heartily enjoyed your visit and participation. We really "fire up" with what members bring to the discussions, and we hope to see more of you.... Note that for any reason, should you desire to be removed from distribution of this "Weekly Missif," just drop us a line and we will comply with your wishes "post-haste".

Schedule of Upcoming Topics/Events*****

Time: Every Thursday Night at 11pm ET in the Golden Gates Chat Room (On AOL Only) with hosts HOST GFS Amy, HOST GFS Jayne, HOST GFS TEG and HOST GFS Jim and our many faithful friends :)

11/21/02 - OPEN CHAT

11/28/02 - THANKSGIVING - This is a holiday for your Hosts so they can spend the day with their families, just as you will be doing. If after all the day's activities, you want to drop in, you might just find one or more of us there.

12/05/02 - OPEN CHAT

12/12/02 - Our Special Monthly session of Letters, Songs and Poems of the Civil War

12/19/02 - OPEN CHAT

12/26/02 - To be announced. Heh Heh Maybe we ought to sing Christmas Carols....

We'll See You Thursday Night..!
Your Joyful, Intelligent and Fun-lovin' Host's & Hostess's :-)
HOST GFS Jim, HOST GFS Jayne, HOST GFS TEG and HOST GFS Amy

Hear Ye .... Hear Ye
"The Weekly Fireside"
of the American Civil War History
Special Interest Group;
Distribution Coast to Coast
Week ending 24 Nov 2002

Our Mission: To serve all genealogists by providing an enjoyable online environment with as many helpful and reliable resources as possible.

If you know someone who would like to receive the newsletter by email, please have them send an email to HOST GFS Jim and HOST GFS Jayne with subscribe in the subject line.

=========================================

Well, the very first thing that needs to be said this week is that Jayne, Amy, TEG and myself wish all of you a Happy Thanksgiving surrounded by your families. If part of your families are serving our country then we sincerely add an additional prayer for their safety, well-being and quick return home. The staff and I are going to take a break from the Chat Room this week and we're going to suspend the newsletter next week as well.

Gather up some great tales and we'll join you again in the Chat Room a week from Thursday (5 Dec). The Chat Room will certainly be open for you this Thursday, it was just be "Unhosted".

Thursday - 5 Dec - is "OPEN CHAT" about Civil War History. Your choice of discussion; come on out and enjoy with us.

=========================================

"Coming Events"

"Uncle Chuck's" Civil War Calendar!!

HOST GFS Chuck has been providing us with some excellent Civil War Events around the country so as long as he keeps sending them we'll keep this "Town Crier" up.......

MMeadPond@aol.com sent this little tidbit into the newsletter so we'll post it right here.

=========================================

Civil War History & Genealogy Forum Related Activities and Sites
Available for your Enjoyment and Research

War Between the States (Tracing your Civil War Ancestors)
With HOST GFS Amy and HOST GFS Wolford on
Friday evenings at 9:00 PM EDT in the Golden Gates Chat Room
of the Genealogy Forum (ONLY ON AOL) at KEYWORD: ROOTS


"Genealogy Forum's Military Resources" Website
devoted to Civil War History and the material presented in
the American Civil War History Special Interest Group
in the Genealogy Forum of America On-Line.
The address is:
http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Military/

The Weekly Fireside Archives
http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Military/Fireside.htm


The Genealogy Forum Mailing List Signup
You may subscribe by sending an email to:
GOLDEN-GATE-L-request@rootsweb.com
Title the subject of the email SUBSCRIPTION and type "Subscribe"
in the body of the email message.

=========================================

Editor's Note: I sincerely encourage you to feel entirely free to post any Civil War Letters, Stories or articles that you have in our Civil War History Files through the new Military Resources Website. We are trying "beef up" our Library and now those of you who have patiently stuck with us who aren't AOL Members can now participate. There is also an area for you to upload photos, if you would desire to share those with the Civil War History community. On the Web Site, there are links to our Civil War Library (Files, Firesides, and Photo's).

=========================================

FOR ALL YOU 1ST TIMERS ON THURSDAY - "WE REALLY WELCOME YOU TO OUR MERRY BAND" WE ENJOYED HAVING YOU, TRADING QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND ESPECIALLY YOUR CAMARADERIE!!! :-)... COME AGAIN OFTEN, WE DO INDEED "RELISH" YOUR COMPANY..

Every first-timer to the American Civil War History SIG gets put on the newsletter distribution automatically, because we like to send you a "Thank You Card" for coming to visit and this is our way of doing so. We hope to give you an opportunity to jump right in with us. If you desire NOT to receive the newsletter, then just drop us an email saying UNSUBSCRIBE and we will quickly remove your screen name from distribution. We certainly don't want to clog your mailbox with unwanted material. Also many of you pass on the newsletter to others that don't subscribe to AOL. We really want to thank you for spreading the word. I would also like to let you know that we would be happy to add them to our list if they have email of any sort. We distribute everywhere to those that have requested it. AOL membership is not a requirement although we'd love to see you in the Chat Room :D

=========================================

Did you know?

.............and there you have it.

=========================================

THE HELP DESK

This segment is to address specific questions that hit our plate on Thursday night that we didn't have a chance to answer or needed a bit of time to check it out. Hope these answer the mail :D

Editor's Note: The new Military Resouces Website (Website is listed above in the Fireside) has a myriad of options for you. Here are some the choices: US Military Records, Conscription/Draft Records, Civil War Battle Names, Secession of the Confederate States, Your Civil War Ancestors - Where to Begin, Military Resources on the Internet, links to the Stories, Files and Talks of the American Civil War History Chat on AOL, message boards and many, many others. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome.

Additional Note from the Webmaster: Although we are thrilled to provide this area for you now, we want you to know that we are still building it and MORE files, Regimental Histories, etc., will be available in the near future. Stay Tuned!

=========================================

Websites we've received:

From: BitsOBlueNGray@aol.com

From: CATO3240@aol.com

From: SusiCP@aol.com

=========================================

MEMBERS HELPING MEMBERS!!..

Here's how it works... If you are trying to get photographs of a gravesite or battlefield, to collect for your Civil War ancestor research and records, then send us a request and we will post it here... Other members see your request, some being in the near vicinity, are willing to assist, and can email you directly (This protects your privacy) to work out the details. We HIGHLY recommend the "Requester" pay for all film costs and any postage involved for a helping member. This is intended to be a "Free" assistance between members (with the exception of defraying film and postage costs). Do unto others as.... you know
:-)
Keep us posted on how this is working, so we can share them in the "Fireside"!!
HOST GFS Jim

IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED ANSWER(S) TO YOUR QUESTIONS, PLEASE BE SURE TO LET US KNOW!!!!!
Thanks!! - The Editors

We have had some gracious members offer their assistance in this area. Their screen names and areas they have offered to help in are listed.... Please honor their "goodness" and don't abuse them :-)....
We ask that you do follow the guidelines indicated above....


NOTE: If anyone is doing Illinois Civil War research, you may email IllinoisCW@aol.com and make sure that you tell him HOST GFS Jayne told you to write to him. He will give it priority and see what he can find for you.


If YOU have a Civil War Ancestor, Kevin (AndersonvilleCW@aol.com) does Volunteer reseach at Andersonville Civil War Prison in Andersonville, GA. Any research he does is absolutely at NO cost and he is willing to do all he can. There are more than 32,000 prisoners on record from the Union, and quite a few who were held prisoner there as Union regiments from Confederate states. There are also nearly 13,000 marked graves of those who died there. Kevin's focus is dedicated to ALL of those held prisoner during the war, on both sides, as well as all Americans who gave their freedoms for those that we enjoy today.. He just happens to be near Andersonville, so that is where he does his work.

The souces for the research is:
There are 2 online databases to do lookups.....One by name...one by Company and Regiment. He also has a copy of the Dorence Atwater Death list which has the names and grave numbers of 12,960 graves with only 460 marked as " UNKNOWN " This along with a CD he has that contains 34,000 names of the 45,000 who were imprisoned there which helps him find prisoner records because of misspellings of the names or alternate names. He also has the contined update database which is dated July 19 2002 . Kevin visits the prison site every couple of weeks and has access to the onsite databases as well as the physical files.

Visit Kevin's site at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/ANDERSONVILLE/PRISON.html


From: VAThomson@aol.com

Thanks Paul



From: GLITZ01@aol.com
{{Shirley}} We'll see what we can find out from the membership.

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OUR WEEKLY READING
(these items are extracts from our Letters, Songs, and Poems evenings)

The following is reproduced in part from Stephen Vincent Benet's Pulitzer Prize-winning narrative epic poem, "John Brown's Body," published in 1928.

The Congressmen Came Out to See Bull Run

The congressmen came out to see Bull Run,
The congressmen who like free shows and spectacles.
They brought their wives and carriages along,
The brought their speeches and their picnic-lunch,
The black constituent-hats and their devotion:
Some even brought a little whiskey, too.
(A little whiskey is a comforting thing
For a congressmen in the sun, in the heat of the sun.)
The bearded congressmen with orator's mouths,
The fine, clean-shaved, Websterian congressmen,
Come out to see the gladiator's show
Like Iliad gods, wrapped in the sacred cloud
Of Florida-water, wisdom and bay-rum,
Of free cigars, democracy and votes,
That lends such portliness to congressmen.

(The gates fly wide, the bronze troop marches out
Into the stripped and deadly circus-ring,
"Ave, Caesar!" the cry goes up, and shakes
The purple awning over Caesar's seat.)
"Ave, Caesar!, Ave O congressmen,
We who are about to die.
Salute you, congressmen!"
Eleven States,
New York, Rhode Island, Maine,
Connecticut, Michigan and the gathered West,
Salute you, congressmen!
The red-fezzed Fire-Zouaves, flamingo-bright,
Salute you, congressmen!
The raw boys still in their civilian clothers
Salute you, congressmen!
The second Wisconsin in its homespun grey,
Salutes you, congressmen!
The Garibaldi Guards in cocksfeather hats,
Salute you, congressmen!
The Second Ohio with their Bedouin-caps,
Salutes you, congressmen
Serman's brigade, grey-headed Heintzelman,
Ricketts' and Griffin's doomed and valiant guns,
The tough, hard-bitten regulars of Sykes
Who covered the retreat with the Marines,
Burnside and Porter, Willcox and McDowell,
All the vast, unprepared, militia-mass
Of boys in red and yellow Zouave pants,
Who carried peach-preserves inside their kits
And dreamt of being generals overnight;
The straggling companies where every man
Was a sovereign and a voter -- the slack regiments
Where every company marched a different step;
The clumsy and unwieldy-new brigades
Not yet distempered into battle-worms;
The whole, huge, innocent army, ready to fight
But only hslf-taught in the tricks of fighting,
Ready to die to picture-postcard boys
While fighting steill had banners and a sword
And just as ready to run in blind mob-panic,
Salutes you with a vast and thunderous cry,
Ave, Caesar, ave, O congressment,
Ave, O Iliad gods who forced the fight!
You bring your carriages and your picnic-lunch
To cheer us in our need.

You come with speeches,
Your togas smell of heroism and bay-rum.
You are the people and the voice of the people
And, when the fight is done, your carriages
Will bear you safely, through the streaming rout
Of broken troops, throwing their guns away.
You come to see the gladiator's show,
But from a high place, as befits the wise;
You will not see the long windrows of men
Strewn like dead pears before the Henry House
Or the ston-wall of Jackson breathe its parched
Devouring breath upon the failing charge,
Ave, Caesar, ave, O congressmen,
Cigar-smoke wraps you in a godlike cloud,
And if you are not to depart from us
As easily and divinely as you came,
It hardly matters,

Fighting Joe Hooker once
Said with that tart, unbridled tongue of his
That made so many mindless enemies,
"Who ever saw a dead cavalryman?"

The phrase
Stings with a deedle sharpness, just or not,
But even he was never heard to say,
"Who ever saw a dead congressman?"
And yet, he was a man with a sharp tongue.

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A BIT OF COMMUNITY..

Check out the following member inputs for comments and requests for information, Feedback's, Items of Interest and Plea's for HELP...

From MM3C11259@aol.com
{{{Ted}}} Thank you kind sir :D We'll leave this for awhile.


From EConard1@aol.com
"Thanks Eric"


From IrishinCal@aol.com
{{{Grace}}} That it would; and "Yes" Holmes is indeed something else.

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WHAT WE ARE ABOUT..

OUR FOCUS: the "History of the American (United States) Civil War", with byproducts of laughter, and comraderie!

OUR GOAL: to enhance your Genealogy activity, knowledge, and "wisdom" by talking about the history surrounding their lives and actions; specifically the "Civil War" that our ancestors lived through and died because of.

Captain Oliver Wendell Holmes of the 20th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment, said it so well.

"I think it is a noble and pious thing
To do whatever we may by written
Word or molded bronze and sculpted
Stone to keep our memories, our
Reverence and our love alive and
To hand them on to new generations
All too ready to forget."

OUR PROMISE: to provide an "online" environment that is NOT judgmental and to address ALL aspects of this "Pivotal Period" in our History, with honesty and truth (as we know it).

We do "Fireside Stories" about the battles, the people and the social happenings. In addition we dedicate one Thursday a month to the sharing of Songs, Poems and Letters from that era. So come back and visit; we'll save you a seat at the Fireside, and keep the Cider warm..... For a full listing of upcoming events, either look on the Schedule at the end of this Notice or in the Upcoming Events of the Genealogy Forum.

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Time: Every Thursday Night at 11pm ET in the Golden Gates Chat Room (On AOL Only) with hosts HOST GFS Amy, HOST GFS Jayne, HOST GFS TEG and HOST GFS Jim and our many faithful friends :)

11/28/02 - THANKSGIVING - This is a holiday for your Hosts so they can spend the day with their families, just as you will be doing. If after all the day's activities, you want to drop in, you might just find one or more of us there.

12/05/02 - OPEN CHAT

12/12/02 - Our Special Monthly session of Letters, Songs and Poems of the Civil War

12/19/02 - OPEN CHAT

12/26/02 - To be announced. Heh Heh Maybe we ought to sing Christmas Carols.....

We'll See You Thursday Night..!
Your Joyful, Intelligent and Fun-lovin' Host's & Hostess's :-)
HOST GFS Jim, HOST GFS Jayne, HOST GFS TEG and HOST GFS Amy

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