August 2000 Weekly Firesides

"The Weekly Fireside"

American Civil War History Special Interest Group

Submitted by the Civil War Team: 
HOST GFS Jim, HOST GFS Jayne, HOST GFS TEG and HOST GFS Amy

Edited by HOST GFS Gary

Mission Statement: To serve all genealogists by providing an enjoyable online environment with as many helpful and reliable resources as possible.

WHAT WE ARE ABOUT

OUR FOCUS: the "History of the American (United States) Civil War".

 OUR GOAL: to enhance your Genealogy activity, knowledge, and "wisdom" by talking about the history surrounding their lives and actions; specifically the "Civil War" that our ancestors lived through and died because of.

Captain Oliver Wendell Holmes of the 20th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment said it so well.

"I think it is a noble and pious thing
To do whatever we may by written
Word or molded bronze and sculpted
Stone to keep our memories, our
Reverence and our love alive and
To hand them on to new generations
All too ready to forget."

OUR PROMISE: to provide an "online" environment that is NOT judgmental and to address ALL aspects of this "Pivotal Period" in our History, with honesty and truth (as we know it).

We do "Fireside Stories" about the battles, the people and the social happenings. In addition we dedicate one Thursday a month to the sharing of Songs, Poems and Letters from that era. So come back and visit. We'll save you a seat at the Fireside, and keep the Cider warm... For a full listing of upcoming events, either look on the Schedule at the end of this Notice or in the Upcoming Events of the Genealogy Forum.

As we review the logs, and we find new visitors who show an interest or have entered into discussions on this topic in our Thursday sessions, we automatically add you to the distribution for this "Weekly Fireside

THE HELP DESK

This segment is to address specific questions that hit our plate on Thursday night that we didn't have a chance to answer or needed a bit of time to check it out. Hope these answer the mail :D

Submitters Note: Regimental Histories and Letters, etc. Postings: keyword "roots," after which will bring you to the main screen of the Genealogy Forum. Select the "Files Library Center," then "History Files". At that point select "Civil War Files." Lectures and the Letters, Songs and Poems evenings are also posted in the "Files Library Center" under "History Lectures" as the Lecture Subject. The "Firesides" when they eventually get there after their 30 days in the New Files section are posted in the "Files Library Center" under "Meeting Logs and Newsletters".

I've also posted ALL the "Weekly Firesides" we've done since the first of the year (2000) into the Genealogy Forum's New Files area for your enjoyment. Give GFA Terry a few days to get them posted and then grab what you want. All New Files are uploaded to the New Files Area for about 30 days and then they will be moved to their proper archive. In the case of the Weekly Firesides, you'll find them in the Files Library under Newsletters. 

Bits of Blue and Gray

Just a note to let you  know the new Bits of Blue and Gray column is now available to read.


You can access all of the articles and military links for each of the states by going to the Bits of Blue and Gray homepage and clicking on the article you want to read: 

Bits of Blue and Gray 
http://www.stategensites.com/bitsofblueandgray/

I hope you're enjoying the trivia questions and learning from them.  If any of you has trivia questions I could use, I sure do wish you'd send them to me along with the answers and a source verifying it... unless you don't mind if I use your screen name as the source.  At the site you'll also find a Message Board where you can leave suggestions, ask questions and make comments.

HOST GFS Jayne

For other columns and genealogical information go to StateGenSites  http://www.stategensites.com/

For More "War Between The States" information

 Fridays at 9:00 PM EDT we will be reviving the "War Between The States SIG". 

The theme of this SIG will be "Tracing Your Civil War Ancestor"! 

Please join me, HOST GFS Amy and HOST GFS Wolford in Golden Gates 

Web Sites We've Received

If you have a favorite Civil War related site, please send it to: HOST GFS Jayne to share.

from HOST GFS Amy:
1890 Veterans Census Links
http://www.homestead.com/veterans1890/links.html

Civil War Resources from VMI Archives
http:/www.vmi.edu/~archhtml/cwsource.html

Civil War Sub Rises From Watery Grave @nationalgeographic.com
http://www.ngnews.com/news/2000/08/08082000/hunley2_2917.asp

The New River Company's Genealogy and History Research Site
http://www.rootsource.com/civwarex.htm

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from BitsOBlueNGray: 
Rick's Civil War Poetry Home Page
http://home.att.net/~lah-rbh/civilwar/home.html

American Civil War and Military History
http://www.snowcrest.net/jmike/civilwarmil.html

Orphan Trains
http://www.outfitters.com/~melissa/ot/ot.html

Black Civil War Soldiers of the Trans Mississippi West
http://www.angelfire.com/md/usctwest/

Hunley 
http://www.hunley.org 

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from Snow Beri:
Map Collections Home Page
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/gmdhome.html

NOTE: Snow Beri and I were "discussing" the Macon, GA prison and trying to find info about it... I gave her some quick info out of Lonnie Speer's book "Portals to Hell." She did some further investigating and did a search with Lonnie Speer's name and came up with the following: 

Georgia State Fair (Macon) - Camp Oglethorpe & Old Fairgrounds
http://georgiastatefair.org/CampOglethorpe.htm

New URL for the jankej site
http://homepages.dsu.edu/jankej/civilwar/civilwar.htm

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from Bulldogtjr:
CPL A Storm of Shot and Shell: Weapons of the Civil War Selection of Images from the Exhibit
http://www.chipublib.org/003cpl/civilwar_catalog.html

Basic Genealogy Issues and Articles
http://www.familychronicle.com/

Weapons of the Civil War Selection of Images
http://www.chipublib.org/003cpl/civilwar_catalog.html

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from IllinoisCW:
Find A Grave
http://www.findagrave.com

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from LaddofOhio
CW Blockade Runner
http://nautarch.tamu.edu/projects/denbigh/denbigh.html

Naval Historical Center
http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/civilwar.htm

Members Helping Members!

Here's how it works.. If you are trying to get photographs of a gravesite or battlefield, to collect for your Civil War ancestor research and records, then send us a request and we will post it here... Other members seeing your request and being in the near vicinity, and are willing to assist can email you direct (this protects your privacy) and work out the details. We HIGHLY recommend the "Requester" pay for all film costs and any postage involved for a helping member. This is intended to be a "Free" assistance between members (with the exception of defraying film and postage costs). Do unto others as.... you know :-) Keep us posted on how this is working, so we can share them in the "Fireside"!!

HOST GFS Jim          IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED ANSWER(S) TO YOUR QUESTIONS, PLEASE BE SURE TO LET US KNOW!!!!!

Thanks!! - The Editors 

We have had some gracious members offer their assistance in this area. Their screen names and areas they have offered to help in are listed.... Please honor their "goodness" and don't abuse them :-).... We ask that you do follow the guidelines indicated above...

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SusiCP 
[OHBELMON-L] Ohio Units in the Civil War 
From: wild1cat@worldnet.att.net (Jeffrey Laird) 
To: OHBELMON-L@rootsweb.com 
I am trying to find out information on Company I of the 173rd Ohio Volunteer Infantry. My gggrandfather Alexander Palmer served. Is there a roster available somewhere or someplace I could get records? 
Regards, 
Peggy 

{{{Susi}}}} Thanks for forwarding this request. We'll see if anyone knows a Website with the Roster list.

Susi - ran across these sites on the Internet. See if they connect you to anything you're looking for.......170th Regiment Ohio Vol. Inf. hliggett@ald.net 173rd OH,... Http://www.ohiohistory.org/resource/database/civilwar.html 1st Ohio In

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From: Phreyor

Hello friends: I would like some information about the Veterans Reserve Corps, or the (V.R.C.). What is their history, what was their functions, where were they located, that sort of things. I had a wounded relative who spent the last year of the War in Saint Louis in the VRC. But I know nothing about it. Please help out if you can. Thanks! Phreyor. P.S. I love the stories and history given by all. Please keep up the great work. 

{{{{{Phreyor}}}}} Thank you so much for the kind words. They let us know we're doing something right!! Though I send it to you, I decided to include the write-up here also about the Veterans Reserve Corp as I thought maybe others might be interested. 

Veterans Reserve Corp 

Source: The Civil War Dictionary by Mark M. Boatner III

In Apr. '63, the Union Army established the "Invalid Corps" to consist of officers and men unfit for full combat duty but who could perform limited infantry service. Those who could handle a weapon were put in the 1st Bn. and used for guard duty. The worst crippled formed the 2d Bn and were used as nurses and cooks around hospitals. Six companies of the 1st Bn. and four from the 2d Bn. made up a regiment in the corps after Sept. '63. In December the corps. numbered over 20,000. A total of 24 regiments and 188 separate companies were eventually raised, freeing many able-bodied soldiers for combat duty. Since the initials of the Invalid Corps coincided unfortunately with the "Inspected--Condemned" stamped on worn-out government equipment and animals, the name was changed in Mar '64 to Veteran Reserve Corps. A small pamphlet entitled "Field Record of Officers of the Veteran Reserve Corps" (Washington: Scrivner & Swing, n.d.) (copy in West Point Library; shelf No. UA37, F45) gives the following information on many officers of the corps: name, age, battles, nature of disability, date he entered the corps, and rank. "The officers of this Corps were sent to the rear, wounded and mutilated, from every battlefield of the war," says a note in the pamphlet, "and after passing an examination which fully tested their capacity for a proper performance of military duties, were placed in their present positions, not only upon the recommendation of their regimental and brigade  commanders, but, also, by the distinct approval of the following distinguished officers;.  " There follows a roster of 74 Maj. Gens. and Lt. Gens. Scott and Grant. 

 

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From: PAnder4636

I need some help on an execution of a soldier that i can find no information on . The execution was a soldier in the 7th Kentucky Infantry and it was over the killing of another soldier, but there is no account of it in the records. Also the execution was conducted without the signature of the president. Who would have kept the records of this trial

Phyllis

{{Phyllis}} thanks for your request.... Do any of you 7th Kentucky Inf. historians have any knowledge of this one...? Or..... where Phyllis could go research ??

Phyllis, I received this site from several different sources this week and you might want to check it out  http://www.rootsource.com/civwarex.htm  The New River Company's Genealogy and History Research Site. I looked quickly through the list and found 3 men from the 7th KY who were executed.. one of them might be your soldier.

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From: mawtyfed@adelphia.net (Martin Fedchak)

As always, I'm enjoying the weekly fireside...

Unfortunately, I am no longer able to get to the chat room. We switched internet servers and no longer have aol. For some reason, my server won't let me get to the room by way of the only address I have: (aol://4344:167.genenew3.1406912.528564696). 

Would you be so kind as to send me a link to the chat room and the genealogy forum area? I would be most appreciative!!

Keep up the good work and thanks for your help!

Bonnie (mawtyfed@adelphia.net formerly bjfedchak@aol.com)

{{{{{Bonnie}}}}} Thanks for the nice words about the Weekly Fireside!! Unfortunately only AOL members can get into the chat room , but we'll keep you on the distribution of the newsletter. Over 10% of our distribution are non-AOL users, which makes us feel good!!! Our newsletters seem to "get passed around" and then we get requests from folk to be added. Gosh, we must be doin' sumptin right!!!!! <G>

Bonnie, the Chat Rooms offered by The Genealogy Forum are not yet available to the full web.  However many of the other areas of the Genealogy Forum are available at http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/search.html - including many of the file libraries.  Hope to see you there, Host GFS Gary, Resource Center Manager

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From: WJHF 723

Hello,
You have always been such a source of good information I thought I might impose and ask one more question. We recently went to some old family gravesites in Galesburg Illinois. There we came across one that would belong to a great great uncle of mine. On seeing the developed pictures we can see he served in an Illinois unit during the Civil War but cannot make out which one. Company K and either 45 or 49 Ill.Inf. My question is do you know where I might search to see if his name (George Holyoke) is listed on the rolls of either company and where they might have fought? I look forward to hearing from you, Thanks, 

Jobeth Fjell

{{{{{Jobeth}}}}} As I told you in email, I did a quick check in the Illinois Database for your George Holyoke and didn't find him so I sent you the URL http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/datcivil.html  so you could do some checking of your own. I also forward you email to IllinoisCW our "resident" Illinois Civil War expert. And now I'm putting it out to all the "faithful" to see what they might come up with... Anybody out there able to help Jobeth???

Once again the "faithful" comes thru!!

From: IllinoisCW
To: WJHF 723

George T. Holyoke enlisted in Rock Island in Co K - 45th Illinois. 
Depending on when he mustered into the unit and when he mustered out of the unit - he could have fought at the following battles.
Fort Henry, Tennessee - Fort Donelson, Tennessee - Shiloh, Tennessee - Siege of Corinth, Mississippi - Grand Gulf, Mississippi - Port Gibson, Mississippi - Raymond, Mississippi - Champion's Hill, Mississippi - Big Black River, Mississippi - Seige of Vicksburg, Mississippi - Marietta, Geogia - Kenesaw Mountain, Georgia, Atlanta, Georgia - Siege of Atlanta, Georgia - Jonesboro, Georgia - Sherman';s March to the Sea - Siege of Savannah, Georgia - Columbia, South Carolina - Bentonville, North Carolina and the surrender of CSA forces at Raleigh, North Carolina. They were also involved in the Grand Review in Washington D.C. 
As you can see the 45th was a very active unit - called THE LEAD MINE REGIMENT because it was formed in Galena, Illinois where the lead mines were very much a way of life for the men and families. They mustered out of the service in Louisville, Kentucky on 7/12/1865.
Hope that helps/ Be glad to try to answer any other questions you might have as you find more material.

Frank

{{{{{Frank}}}}} Thank you from me and WJHF 723

A Bit of Community

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Check out the member inputs for comments and requests for information, Feedback, Items of Interest and Pleas for HELP !!!

Editor's Note: for those of you who are AOL members, I want to encourage you to feel entirely free to post any Civil War Letters, Stories or articles that you have in our Civil War History Files. There is also an area for you to upload photos, if you would desire to share those with the Civil War History community. Use "keyword=roots" to get to the Genealogy Main Screen. Then select Files, followed by selecting History and Culture and there you will find the two upload areas I mentioned: Civil War Files, and Civil War Photos. I would also note that the New Genealogy Forum Web Site is being constructed. On that Web Site, the Civil War History SIG will have an area to link to our Civil War Library (Lectures, Letters, Songs, Poems, Files, Firesides, and Photos). When this is complete then anyone (not just AOL Members) will have access to all our material. We'll be sure to let you know when you can access it.

From KRoth in VA

I recently acquired a copy of the book "7th Virginia Infantry", by David RIGGS, part of the series of books on Civil War units. If you or anyone else needs a lookup, feel free to contact me. KRoth in VA@aol.com

{{{{{Ken}}}}} We appreciate the offer to the "Faithful" to do look-ups... 

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From Jab0615

I have the Virginia 31st Infantry by John Ashcraft I will do look-ups.

Jim 
Jab0615@aol.com

{{{{{Ken & Jim}}}}} We appreciate the offer to the "Faithful" to do look-ups..!!!!!

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From: "Kevin Frye" <frye@gnat.net>

Hi All,
I had someone send me this link and thought some of you could use it.

There is a 800 page book that was written by the Army in 1910 that is on-line. It has stories told by soldiers but better yet, it has photos and portraits of every soldier that served in the 155th PA Infantry. Reading the book, I saw that many of the soldiers  came from Beaver County.
Instructions:

http://bigfoot.library.pitt.edu/pittsburgh/index.html

1. Click Full Text.
2. Click Browse Books.
3. Scroll down to U.

I hope that you will freely share this information so people can link up with their ancestor's picture. It took me years to stumble across it and am pleased to share this valuable find.

I took a look at it... and was very suprised to find that the photos are so wonderfully done.

Kevin Frye
Please visit my homepage at
http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html

I, do Volunteer research at Andersonville Civil War Prison in Andersonville Georgia. Any research I do is absolutely at NO cost and I am willing to do what I can.

My sources are the following....... 

There are 2 online databases to do lookups.....One by name...one by Company and Regiment. I also have a copy of the Dorence Atwater Death list which has the names and grave numbers of some 13000 graves with only 460 marked as " UNKNOWN " 

This along with a CD I have which contains 34,000 names of the 45,000 who were imprisoned there which helps me find prisoner records because of misspellings of the names or alternate names. I visit the prison site every couple of weeks and have access to the onsite databases as well as the physical files. If there is anything I can do in helping your research at Andersonville, please just ask. 

Kevin

{{{{{Kevin}}}}} Thank you for the information! I hope everyone doesn't flock to your door at once!

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From: CDeripaska
Jim, ole wiz of music, i'm desperately trying to remember the words to a song I heard my mother sing years ago. I used to sing it out on the front porch in the swing at night and made my daddy cry. The only part I remember is..." I'm writing this down in a trench, Mom. Don't scold if isn't too neat. You know as you did, when I was a kid, and came home with mud on my feet. ....... Then the old woman's hands began to tremble, as she fought against tears in her eyes. But she wept unashamed, for there was no name. and she knew that her darlin had died" Maybe not the exact words but I still remember the tune. i wish I knew it's origin, Any clue? Thanks Carolyn

{{{{{Carolyn}}}}}} Heh heh The ole wiz of music struck out on this one. It really strikes me as World War I, maybe World War II time frame. OK Gang! Help me out here. 

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{{{{{{Jimmy}}}}} I went huntin' and I found it!!
{{{{{{Carolyn}}}}} Here's your song!!

SOLDIER'S LAST LETTER
Recorded by Ernest Tubb also by George Jones 
Written by Sgt. Redd Stewart and Ernest Tubb

When the postman delivered a letter
It filled her dear heart full of joy
But she didn't know til she read the inside
It was the last one from her darling boy.

Dear Mom, was the way that it started
I miss you so much, it went on
Mom, I didn't know, that I loved you so 
But I'll prove it when this war is won.

I'm writing this down in a trench, Mom
Don't scold if it isn't so neat
For you know as you did, when I was a kid
And I'd come home with mud on my feet.

Well, the captain just gave us our orders
And Mom, we will carry them through.
I'll finish this letter the first chance I get
But for now I'll just say I love you.

Then the mother's old hands began to tremble
And she fought against tears in her eyes
For they came unashamed for there was no name 
And she knew that her darling had died.

That night as she knealt by her bedside
She prayed Lord above hear my plea
And protect all the sons that are fighting tonight
And dear God keep America free.

NOTE: after posting this last week I got the following from Carolyn:
Thank you so much for my song !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How in the world did you find it? My mother taught me this song and I used to sing it over and over. Thanks so much, thank God, I remember the tune!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

{{{{Carolyn}}}} 
I went to my very favorite search engine < www.google.com > and typed in "I'm writing this down in a trench, Mom" and it gave me a list of websites too choose from. I'm so glad you're enjoying it.

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From: NPeter2089
Information passed on in response to a question regarding sources of Confederate records............. Have you tried contacting the State Archives in Little Rock, AR? They would have been the archiving source for Confederate Pensions. Confederate Service Records are maintained at the National Archives. Ancestry.com published a book entitled "The Source" and have it for 'online review' by it's members. Under the section Military Records.....Confederate Service records (pgs. 294-296), it states:  

"When Richmond was evacuated by the Confederate government in April 1865, the centralized military personnel records of the Confederate Army were taken to Charlotte, North Carolina, by the Confederate Adjutant and Inspector General, Samuel Cooper. When the Confederate civil authorities left Charlotte after agreeing to an armistice between the armies in North Carolina, President Jefferson Davis instructed Cooper to turn the records over, if necessary, to "the enemy, as essential to the history of the struggle." When General Joseph E. Johnston learned, after the armistice, that the records were at Charlotte, he turned them over to the Union Commander in North Carolina, saying, "As they will furnish valuable materials for history, I am anxious for their preservation, and doubt not that you are too." 

The Confederate records surrendered or captured at the end of the war and taken to  Washington, D.C., have been augmented by other records collected or copied in later years. In 1903, the War Department began to compile a service record for each soldier by copying the entries pertaining to him in these records. The result is an immense file of "compiled military service records" from which inquiries about Confederate soldiers are answered. Because of the efforts made over many years to incorporate all available information into this file, it is by far the most complete and accurate source of information about Confederate soldiers. 

This file is accessed through the massive consolidated index to Confederate soldiers (NARA microfilm publication M1290), contained on 535 rolls of microfilm. If no record can be located by using this index, there is another set of Confederate records: those which were never identified as pertaining to a specific soldier or were not used in compiling the service records when the government ceased that operation. 

The compiled military service record of a Confederate soldier consist of one or more card abstracts and usually one or more original documents. Each card abstract entry comes from such original records as Confederate muster rolls, returns, descriptive rolls, and Union prison and parole records. If the original record of a soldier's service was complete, the card abstracts may serve to trace his service from beginning to end, but they normally do little more than account for where he was at a given time. The complied military service record may provide the following information of genealogical interest: age, place of enlistment, places served, place of discharge or death, and often physical description. 

The original Confederate records from which the cards were made are among the holdings of the National Archives. Microfilm copies of all indexes and some records are available at the National Archives and at the Family History Library (see table 9-4). The index will provide rank, unit, and name of the soldier, and the pertinent file can then be ordered from the National Archives. 

The National Archives also compiled histories of Confederate military units and vessels (M861). They are arranged alphabetically by state and then by unit. Because prisoner exchanges late in the Civil War were not working, approximately 28,000 Confederate soldiers, sailors, and citizens died in the North. While federal legislation from 1867-1873 provided for the reburial of Union soldiers in national cemeteries and  for durable headstones, this early legislation made no specific provision for Confederate dead. Their graves were sometimes given thin headstones with a grave number and the soldier's name. Many of the non-union graves, however, were marked with wooden headboards that disintegrated, although the names were often preserved in cemetery burial registers. 

Finally, in 1912, a typescript register of Confederate soldiers and sailors buried in federal cemeteries was compiled in accordance with a 1906 statute, to provide for marking the graves of Confederate soldiers and sailors who died in Union prisons. This register (M918) was generally arranged alphabetically by name of prison camp, other location where the death occurred, or occasionally by cemetery name. The individual burial lists are also arranged alphabetically by the name of the deceased and generally include rank, company, regiment, date of death, and number and location of grave. Some cemeteries did not bury the dead in numbered graves. Some regimental and company designations or death dates are not entered in the register. The registers also include few entries for private Confederate citizens. Some are unknown. Other entries are for bodies "removed," "sent home," and "taken home by  friends." 

State Confederate Records
The War Department Collection of Confederate Records is not complete, even though great efforts were made to assemble all official information. A soldier may have served in a state militia unit that was never mustered into the service of the Confederate government. Records of service in such units, if extant, may be in the state archive or in the custody of the state adjutant general. Since the federal government of the United States did not pay benefits to Confederates, pensions and other state benefits are recorded only in state records. 

The Family History Library has the single largest collection of microfilmed state Confederate records. The call numbers for ordering the microfilms through family history centers are most easily located in the Military Records Register, Vol. II: Civil War. If the center does not have a copy have the librarian request a copy from the main library in Salt Lake City. 

Two additional categories of records require special mention: military academy records and Reconstruction court records. Many Confederate officers received their early training in Southern military academies. Others had attended West Point and had to choose which side to support. Consult Bvt. Major-General George W. Cullum, Biographical Register, Officers and Graduates of the U.S. Military Academy, West Point, New York, 3rd ed., 9 vols." 

{{{{Nadine}}}}}} Great information; some we have published and some we have not... THANKS

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Every first-timer to the American Civil War History SIG gets put on the newsletter distribution automatically, because we like to send you a "Thank You Card" for coming to visit and this is our way of doing so. We hope to give you an opportunity to jump right in with us. If you desire NOT to receive the newsletter, then just drop us an email saying UNSUBSCRIBE and we will quickly remove your screen name from distribution. We certainly don't want to clog your mailbox with unwanted material. Also many of you pass on the newsletter to others that don't subscribe to AOL. We really want to thank you for spreading the word. I would also like to let you know that we would be happy to add them to our list if they have email of any sort.  We distribute everywhere to those that have requested it. AOL membership is not a requirement although we'd love to see you in the Chat Room :D

AND AGAIN TO YOU "FIRST-TIMERS" THIS WEEK, "Welcome"... :)

We heartily enjoyed your visit and participation. We really "fire up" with what members bring to the discussions, and we hope to see more of you.... Note that for any reason, should you desire to be removed from distribution of this "Weekly Missive," just drop us a line and we will comply with your wishes "post-haste".

Raising The Hunley

Friday night August 3rd on ABC-TV, Ned Potter did a report about the Confederate submarine Hunley. The report told how Bob Neyland, a Navy Archaeologist, the project director and his team plan to raise the Hunley on Tuesday morning August the 8th. The report told how they have been working around the clock cradling the sub in a specially designed frame to help keep it intact while they lift it with a gigantic crane. The Hunley will be taken to a nearby conservation center and placed into a holding tank. There it will be cleaned, studied by scientists and eventually restored. They're expecting the process to take about 5 years. 

The crew members will, at some point, be removed and buried in Charleston's Old Magnolia Cemetery where they will be given a traditional Confederate Funeral. After 136 years of being entombed in the submarine, these crew members will be some of the very last Civil War dead to finally "come home" and have a proper burial. Quoting Ned Potter, "For more than a century, the Hunley has been part of Southern lore -- how it worked, how it sank, how men had the courage to climb inside. Now, finally, it is coming back to port."  

They sure didn't have much room in there!! They demonstrated with a vinyl "ring" the space they had inside. I think they said it was 3 feet side to side and 4 feet high.  

As I watched the program I became quite emotional, just thinking about the enormity of the the project and the historical significance of it. Then too I thought about the men and how they knew they would probably never see their families again when they climbed on board. Now they are coming home. 

I wish I could be there Tuesday morning when they bring the Hunley up.  To read more about the Hunley you can visit their website at http://www.hunley.org

My Experiences At Andersonville

I read the following into the room Thursday night and thought I'd share it with you all. It is a very moving letter. PETCTR had sent me the URL. You may find it at: http://www.americanpioneers.com/26thalabama/Andersonville.htm along with some other "accounts" of experiences at Andersonville prison by members from the 26th Alabama.

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Marietta, Ohio 
September, 30th, 1894 

To his Excellency, 
The Governor of Alabama 

Dear Sir, 

During the war of the Rebellion in January 1864, I was taken prisoner of war and about Feb. 1864 I was taken to Andersonville, GA. where I was confined until Sept. 1864. In a few weeks after I reached Andersonville, Lewis Jones, a private of the 26th Alabama secured permission to take me on the outside of the prison on condition that I would beat the drum for the 26th Alabama on “guard mount” dress parade & while they would remain at Andersonville on duty. Mr. Jones took me to the camp of the 26th and explained to me the conditions on which I would be put on “Parole of Honor” and given certain liberties. I refused to except the conditions and Lewis Jones gave me something to eat and put me back in the stockade explaining to me that he had no authority to keep me out only on condition to which I have referred. They soon succeeded in getting a good drummer and fifer out of the stockade to which I have referred. I was a small boy having enlisted when I was four feet in height and only thirteen years of age. In a short time Lewis Jones came to the stockade and took me out and made another proposition to me. He said he had secured permission to take me out of the stockade and that he was responsible for my safe keeping. He took me to the camp of the 26th Ala. and I slept and ate with him, and he took me hunting and fishing a time or two. I do not recollect his company, but there were five in his mess and I made six. We ate together, and I had nothing to do but behave myself and not run away. He was very kind to me and said he interested himself in my behalf on account of me being a mere child and that seeing me a prisoner of war had aroused the tender feelings of his heart. In that mess of six was a brother of Lewis Jones who was a Lieut. in the company to which Lewis belonged.  

In a few weeks the 26th Ala. was ordered into active service again and during all the time until they took their departure I stayed in camp with Lewis Jones and he treated me, and cared for me, as if I were his own child. Before they left he went to Captain Wirz, the commandant of the prison, and arranged for his to keep me at his office and run errands, and not put me back into the stockade. I stayed with Capt. Wirz a good while, but one day he flew into a rage and put me back in the stockade. When I tell you that I went into Andersonville with nineteen of my company and I was the only one to reach home alive you will readily see how Lewis Jones saved my life. The better treatment at Wirz’s office and the kind treatment from Lewis Jones, and it was due to the efforts of Lewis Jones, built me up in health so that I was able to live through it. Lewis Jones saved my life.

When you were in Marietta, Ohio a few years ago returning a flag, you were at the home of Genl. Rufus R. Dawes of that city. I was relating this incident to Genl. Dawes recently and he said it would not surprise him to learn that the Lieut. Jones to whom I have referred was none other than the present Governor of the State of Alabama, and he urged me to write you a letter to ascertain if you are Lieut. Jones of the 26th Ala. and where my good friend Lewis Jones can be located. I have never seen or heard of Lewis Jones since he waved good bye to me on the cars at Andersonville Station. He may be in heaven long ago for no other place would be fitted for his generous soul. Although I have always intended to try and locate him this is the first effort that I have made in that direction. Do me the kindness to favor me with a reply and I will very highly appreciate it. I am 45 years of age, I was a private and drummer in Company I, 10 W. Va. Vol. Inft. 

Very truly Yours, R. T. Powell

Lewis Jones was a private of Company I, the brother he is referring to is 2nd Lt. John W. Jones. Both men survived the war and surrendered at Greensboro, North Carolina on April 26, 1865, two of only 31 that accomplished it. The Governor he was writing to was not a member of the 26th Alabama Infantry Regiment. Drummer Powell was referred to in camp as “Little Red Cap” and is mentioned in memoirs of other soldiers. 

James and John McIntosh,

Generals of The Army


James McQueen McIntosh and John Baillie McIntosh were brothers-in-arms. James, born in Florida in 1828, graduated from West Point in 1849 -- at the bottom of his class. He first served with the U.S. Army's infantry, and was on frontier duty with the U.S. Cavalry when the Civil War broke out. 

Brother John, born in 1829, had seen military service in the Navy during the Mexican War. He was strictly a civilian -- a businessman in New Jersey --- when the Civil War swept them both up. 


Both brothers would reach the rank of general when the war was over. 


James served in the western theater, while John, also in the cavalry branch, served in the eastern. John, in fact, collected quite a few major-battle starts. He was at Seven Days near Richmond, at South Mountain and Antietam in Maryland, at Chancellorsville in Virginia again, and at Gettysburg in Pennsylvania; then it was back to Virginia for Petersburg, Shenandoah Valley, and Third Winchester. 


John did not survive the war entirely unscathed. After Gettysburg in 1863, he was injured when his horse fell, but a quiet cavalry command in the Washington defenses helped him to recuperate. At Winchester in September 1864 he lost a leg. 


His brother James, had experienced one major battle much earlier -- at Pea Ridge, Arkansas, on March 7, 1862. James McIntosh, the West Pointer, fell at Pea Ridge, shot in the heart while leading the mounted troops of Ben McCulloch's Division -- which had been fighting Union troops in Arkansas. James, the brother of Union general John McIntosh, had been a Confederate general.  

 

It is said that John decided to join up on the Union side when his brother James, joined the Confederacy. They never met in combat. 


And there you have it.................

 

 

Civil War Days Revisited

The August Bits of Blue and Gray column is "Food - "we don't git near nuf to eat"  http://www.stategensites.com/bitsofblueandgray/aug2000.asp I've got to brag here just a little while at the same time tell you about an upcoming event. On October 21, 2000, 8:30 AM to 4 PM, the Kosciusko County Historical Society is sponsoring "Civil War Days Revisited" at the Shrine Building, Fairgrounds, Warsaw, Indiana. They have asked if they could use my "Food..." column in some of the displays during the event. Needless to say, I am thrilled to death!! Scheduled are "Billy Yank" and "Civil War Music" presented by Kevin Stonerock and "Mary Todd Lincoln" presented by Donna Bowen. Co F, 30th Ind Vol Inf Re-enactors will participate and there will also be Displays and Campsites. Lunch will be available on the premises and reservations are necessary. For more information contact the Historical Society at 219-167-5454 or email mettinger@waveone.net

Texas & The Civil War

Glorieta Battlefield Preservation

By Lynna Kay Shuffield

Forwarded  by TCozz7795 


Folks,
Take a look at this and if you think it is worth you time and effort, please write and help preserve this Civil War Battlefield. 

Pat Nagle, authoress of "GLORIETA PASS" & "THE GUNS OF VALVERDE" recently announced the organization of a new coalition (not yet named, it's so new!) to promote the preservation of the Civil War site known as the Glorieta Battlefield, which is located near Santa Fe, NM. The Glorieta Battlefield, often referred to as "the Gettysburg of the West," is one of the most threatened Civil War battlefields in the nation. 

Companies D and E, 4th Texas Cavalry were from Milam County, Texas and participated in this battle. Capt. Charles Buckholts, (the town of Buckholts, Milam County, Texas was named for his brother, John), died during the Battle of Glorieta Pass. 

 A website for this preservation effort is located at: 
http://www.pgnagle.com/preserve3.html

 


The Battle of Glorieta Pass took place from March 16th through 28, 1862 and Union units, commanded by Colonel John P. Slough and Major John M. Chivington defeat General Sibley's forces and necessitated his retreat back to Texas. To read a short history of Sibley's Brigade, 

 

visit the Texas Handbook On-Line at: 
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/SS/qks2.html

 

The Glorieta Battlefield is in danger and the coalition is asking for letters to be written to Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico, asking him:

 

(1) to direct the State Highways and Transportation Dept. to resume the Environmental Impact Statement for the relocation of NM 50 highway away from the battlefield; and, 

 

(2) to support funding to acquire the remaining private property in the battlefield park area. Letters from descendents of New Mexico Campaign veterans, historians, Civil War buffs, and/or genealogists will without doubt impress the Governor with the importance of the preservation of the Glorieta Battlefield. It is important to remember that almost one-third of Sibley's more than 2,500 men were lost during the New Mexico Campaign including the Battle of Glorieta Pass. Hearing from individuals residing outside of New Mexico, who value the  preservation of the Glorieta Battlefield, will make an enormous impression. Please take a few minutes to help by writing:

 

The Honorable Gary E. Johnson

Governor of New Mexico

State Capitol, Suite 400

Santa Fe, NM 87503 

 

A sample letter is online at: http://www.pgnagle.com/gletter.html 

You can also send Gov. Johnston an e-mail at: gov@gov.state.nm.us 

or visit the governor's website at: http://www.governor.state.nm.us/ 

You can contact Pat Nagle at e-mail: nagle@mandala.net or visit her 

web page at: http://pgnagle.com

 

 

Lynna Kay Shuffield writes the "Our Loose Ends" genealogy column, which is published in the Taylor Daily Press newspaper in Taylor, Williamson County, Texas and the Cameron Herald newspaper in Cameron, Milam County, Texas is at: http://geocities.com/Athens/Academy/2670/COLUMN-001.htm . She has written several books and is working on five more. She is a member of many local and state genealogical societies, the International Society of Family History Writers and Editors, Inc. (ISFHWE), the Daughters of the American Revolution and the United Daughters of the Confederacy. Lynna is a former major in the State Military Forces of Texas and a graduate of the United States Marine Corps (USMC) Command and General Staff Course (1998). She is also the county coordinator for the San Jacinto County TXGenWeb Project.

 

Lynna Kay Shuffield 

P. O. Box 16604 

Houston, Texas 77222 

Telephone: 713/692-4511 

e-mail: friday@argohouston.com 
For your information....... 

The Editors Corner

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Music To Research By

CDeripaska 

Jim, ole wiz of music, I'm desperately trying to remember the words to a song I heard my mother sing years ago. I used to sing it out on the front porch in the swing at night and made my daddy cry. The only part I remember is..." I'm writing this down in a trench, Mom. Don't scold if isn't too neat. You know as you did, when I was a kid, and came home with mud on my feet. ....... Then the old woman's hands began to tremble, as she fought against tears in her eyes. But she wept unashamed, for there was no name. and she knew that her darlin had died" Maybe not the exact words but I still remember the tune. i wish I knew it's origin, Any clue? Thanks Carolyn 


{{{{{Carolyn}}}}}} Heh heh The ole wiz of music struck out on this one. It really strikes me as World War I, maybe World War II time frame. OK Gang! Help me out here.

 .........Enjoy 

HOST GFS Jim

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My great cousins in Virginia Beach sent me a CD this week and I've been reveling in it. :-) The name of it is The Renaissance Album. Artists are Piffaro, The Renaissance Band, The Angels of Venice, George Winston, Ex Umbris, Tracy Silverman & Thea Suits, Ensemble De Medici, Baltimore Consort, David Arkenstone and many others..... What a great mix of talent and all Renaissance Music. Quite a change from the ordinary and very peaceful to absorb, heh heh!.. I think that's what I do now. "Absorb" music instead of just listening to it.... Not really a bad approach........... 

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